{"cip_id":"0049","title":"Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","status":"Proposed","counts":{"sibling_cips":0,"forum_posts":0,"forum_topics":0,"mailing_messages":25,"mailing_threads":1,"github_items":2,"blog_posts":0,"youtube_videos":0,"total":27},"sibling_cips":[],"forum_posts":[],"forum_topics":[],"mailing_messages":[{"id":"144","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Itai Segall","sent_at":"2025-04-15T12:11:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/144","subject":"Splice release 0.6.4 is ready for deployment on DevNet","snippet":"Thanks Vinh, There are still many questions in my mind that need to be answered. Just to name a few: - How storage-efficient is this format of backup? Sounds like it cannot be very succinct, if it nee","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"141","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Vinh Nguyen","sent_at":"2025-04-15T06:54:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/141","subject":"Splice release 0.6.2 is ready for deployment on TestNet","snippet":"As discussed in the last weekly ops meeting, I would like to share a few approaches to bring this up for discussion again. In the new CometBFT we are going to use Postgres as storage instead of LevelD","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"122","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-19T16:30:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/122","subject":null,"snippet":"Hi all - just bringing this up again since we have now gone through the devnet reset. @Wayne I believe 2/3 is what we need yes. @Ryan this is an excellent idea. Had a look at filecoin and seems that t","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"84","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Wayne Collier","sent_at":"2025-03-07T20:36:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/84","subject":null,"snippet":"Good point. We would only need 2/3 of the SVs who are actually storing backups to accept the answer, right?","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"83","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Ryan Trinkle","sent_at":"2025-03-07T14:23:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/83","subject":null,"snippet":"I don't want to make it too complicated, but there are \"proof of storage\" systems for e.g. filecoin, which I believe solve this problem. I'd be happy to look into this further if there is interest. On","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"82","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Itai Segall","sent_at":"2025-03-07T14:22:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/82","subject":null,"snippet":"Thanks Vinh, At a high level, that makes perfect sense and I've been toying around with the same idea in my mind over the last few days. One thing I currently do not have an answer for, which might be","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"80","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Vinh Nguyen","sent_at":"2025-03-07T13:51:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/80","subject":null,"snippet":"Hi Itail, I think we need to develop a backup prover. The prover can be run by any SV. Periodically the prover will raise a challenge to ask among its peers for some pieces of data. The prover will ne","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"79","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-07T05:44:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/79","subject":null,"snippet":"Chris, thanks for following up. I'm OK with caps, just don't know how much it changes the mechanism of minting/distributing tokens. If it's \"minimal invasion\" then I probably favour this one as well. ","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"78","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Chris Zuehlke","sent_at":"2025-03-05T18:07:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/78","subject":null,"snippet":"Not to distract the conversation, but wanted to close the loop re: being more precise on the weight changes associated with this. In short, I’m ok with focusing on the technical implementation details","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"77","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Itai Segall","sent_at":"2025-03-05T13:48:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/77","subject":null,"snippet":"> Can you please elaborate on this? My understanding is that we can query specific data timestamps. From a live system we can definitely query specific data timestamps. But here we're talking about da","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"75","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-05T05:31:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/75","subject":null,"snippet":"Can you please elaborate on this? My understanding is that we can query specific data timestamps. thanks.","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"76","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-05T05:31:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/76","subject":null,"snippet":"Hi Chris, this is great news, happy to have proof group as a sponsor!","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"74","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Chris Matturri","sent_at":"2025-03-04T20:58:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/74","subject":null,"snippet":"Yiannis, Proof Group is a fan of your proposal here and will definitely support in running a backup node. I think the increased SV weighting works well to incentivize this. We would be happy to sponso","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"73","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Itai Segall","sent_at":"2025-03-04T19:59:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/73","subject":null,"snippet":"> random comparison of data between the backups That would require that the backups are taken at the same time, wouldn't it? Otherwise the backups that different SVs have will not be identical. Not su","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"72","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-04T14:35:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/72","subject":null,"snippet":"Ok so based on the feedback from @stanislav and @moritz we agree that the verification should be in the form or random comparison of data between the backups, instead of full restore and validation of","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"71","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Moritz Kiefer","sent_at":"2025-03-04T07:43:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/71","subject":null,"snippet":"Hi, I don't think the catchup option works for old backups unfortunately. SVs can only catch up iff they are within the cometbft and sequencer pruning interval of 30 days. So for the main goal here of","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"70","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Stanislav German-Evtushenko","sent_at":"2025-03-04T07:18:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/70","subject":null,"snippet":"Yiannis, This could've been an option however there are some challenges: 1) there should be a way to restore data from the network inception till one month before current time without gaps 2) catching","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"69","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-04T06:53:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/69","subject":null,"snippet":"Chris, you are right - this is very ambiguous and I realised that It's not complete. The idea was to have a relative bonus model of 20% with a cap of +1 in the weight, whatever is smaller. No validato","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"68","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Chris Zuehlke","sent_at":"2025-03-03T20:20:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/68","subject":null,"snippet":"While some of the technical details are discussed I wanted to also raise a tokenomics questions. This line from the CIP could use some additional detail. >> Super Validators that maintain and verifiab","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"67","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Prakash Neelakantan","sent_at":"2025-03-03T18:54:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/67","subject":null,"snippet":"A regular process for DR testing like how the Fia does it might be useful. https://www.fia.org/fia/fia-disaster-recovery-exercise. From: cip-discuss@... on behalf of Eric Saraniecki via lists.sync.glo","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"66","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-03T17:59:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/66","subject":null,"snippet":"Good point. I believe \"Cold\" should not be used there since it's confusing. Just backups that are recoverable. On how often, it has to do with the recovery and verification mechanism as well as I resp","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"65","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Yiannis Varelas","sent_at":"2025-03-03T17:58:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/65","subject":null,"snippet":"Eric, I’m really open to any ideas here because the size of the network is massive and it's growing fast. In my mind, the simplest and probably quickest way to do it is to have a SV node operating as ","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"64","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Kinga Bosse","sent_at":"2025-03-03T17:00:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/64","subject":null,"snippet":"Could we also define what we mean by cold? Are we talking about fully air gapped cold storage? Same question as Eric – how often? Is there a forum to discuss this CIP? Kinga Z. Bosse COO|MPCH|www.mpch","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"63","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"Eric Saraniecki","sent_at":"2025-03-03T16:24:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/63","subject":null,"snippet":"how will an SV prove they are actually maintaining backups the way this process would design / prescribe ? will there be some regularly ceremony (quarterly?) where a prod parallel instance is stood up","cip_id_match":true},{"id":"62","thread_id":"111491140","thread_title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","author":"DrAmandaLMartin","sent_at":"2025-03-03T16:15:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/message/62","subject":null,"snippet":"Hello, Please find the cip-0049 open for discussion at the PR https://github.com/global-synchronizer-foundation/cips/pull/31 In ord …","cip_id_match":true}],"mailing_threads":[{"id":"111491140","title":"CIP 0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups for Super Validators to Enhance Network Resilience","group_slug":"cip-discuss","message_count":25,"last_post_at":"2025-04-15T12:11:00.000Z","url":"https://lists.sync.global/g/cip-discuss/topic/cip_0049_incentivizing_cold/111491140"}],"github_items":[{"id":"canton-foundation/cips#31","type":"pr","repo":"canton-foundation/cips","number":31,"title":"cip-0049 Incentivizing Cold Backups by SVs","state":"closed","author":"hythloda","created_at":"2025-03-03T15:25:36Z","url":"https://github.com/canton-foundation/cips/pull/31","snippet":""},{"id":"canton-foundation/cips#26","type":"pr","repo":"canton-foundation/cips","number":26,"title":"cip-0049","state":"closed","author":"hythloda","created_at":"2025-02-27T15:30:56Z","url":"https://github.com/canton-foundation/cips/pull/26","snippet":""}],"blog_posts":[],"youtube_videos":[],"derivedAt":"2026-07-21T22:59:40.133Z","source":"derived from cips + forum_posts + mailing_messages + github_items + blog_posts + youtube_videos","canonical":"https://ccpedia.xyz/cips/0049/citations"}